craftgrrl | maybe it's been posted before

but i couldn't find any posts on this. maybe i'm blind, i dunno.
ANYHOO, does anyone have a pattern for a tie, or a place where I could get a free tie pattern? The closest I've come was finding a vintage pattern for sale online, but I can't order online.
Anyone?
i guess if need be, i could always rip open an ugly tie and use THAT as a pattern.
Thanks in advance!
(btw, does anyone else have as much trouble tying ties as I do? It took me more than 30 minutes to figure out a stupid windsor knot. but i can do it now!)